19 and not holding fast to the head, from whom the whole body, nourished and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows with a growth that is from God. Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

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The “head” here representing Christ and his believers the body, with “nourished and held together” being growth in the understanding of His teaching and unity amongst themselves.

February 4th, 2014

The body of Christ is one organism with Christ as the head. Also Jesus said, I am the tree and you are the branches. We can not bear fruit without Jesus.

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February 4th, 2014

Christ is regarded as the head of the Church/ekklessia and the Church/ekklessia is regarded as the body of Christ. It is Christ who nourishes the Church/ekklessia. Without Christ, there is no Church/ekklessia.

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17 These are only a shadow of what is to come, but the substance belongs to Christ. Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

Is this a reference to Plato? Most likely.

The Theory of Forms is Plato’s view that the material world is not the typical real world which we live in but the shadow of it. Plato spoke of forms in formulating his solution to the problem of universals. These forms are conceptual depiction of things we see around us.

Even more poignantly, in the gospel of John we see Jesus Christ referred to as the Word, the Logos, the fullness, the complete substance of God.

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March 5th, 2014

Is that Platonicism?

March 4th, 2014

he “shadow” of the Old Testament, that is, the Old Testament ceremonies about Christ are simply ways of depicting Christ before he came historically. The animal sacrifices were an illustration of his sacrificial death. They were not the reality of his death. Shadow, however, always reveals that there is reality somewhere.

The ceremonies of the law served their purpose well. After they fulfilled their purpose God instituted something better–the reality of Christ. All the ceremony of the Old Testament, the legalistic system, the Aaronic priesthood, the tabernacle with its furnishings and ritual all pointed forward to Christ. They were pictures and parables of Christ. Jesus took the place of all that ceremony.

February 25th, 2014

Very good explanation of Barnes, …“which are a shadow of things to come — See the notes at Heb_8:5; Heb_10:1, note. They were only a dim outline of future things, not the reality.But the body is of Christ — The reality, the substance. All that they signified is of or in Christ. Between those things themselves which are in Christ, and those which only represented or prefigured them, there is as much difference as there is between a body and a shadow; a solid substance and a mere outline. Having now, therefore, the thing itself the shadow can be to us of no value; and that having come which was prefigured, that which was designed merely to represent it, is no longer binding.”

February 3rd, 2014

Once more a likely influence of the Greek myth of Plato’s cave.

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16 Therefore do not let anyone condemn you in matters of food and drink or of observing festivals, new moons, or sabbaths. Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

Even today there are differences between members of the ekklesiai concerning alcohol use, food, and observation of various traditions and ceremonies, e.g., the manner of baptism (sprinkling, immersion). An example of this is the “Assemblies of Yahweh” group — NOT affiliated with the Assemblies of God denomination — that observes the Feast of the Tabernacles: Paul was warning the believers not to let their faith fail because someone else confronts them on a tertiary issue, and for them to stay focused on Christ.
The main differences in Paul’s day was between the Gentiles and the Jews.

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February 4th, 2014

I really like this trait about Paul: he is expressly against Phariseeism as opposed to spirituality!

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February 4th, 2014

Even our present day Christian holidays were covering over pagan holidays.

February 22nd, 2014

Paul is telling the Colossians the same thing that Jesus emphasized to his disciples. It’s not about outward appearances to please men, its about your faith and pleasing God. Paul had come from the Pharisee background and knew first hand that keeping rules, traditions did not increase one’s faith and it brought division among the people. He did not want this to be the case for the Colossians as this was not the message of Christ.

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February 8th, 2014

It is ok to show respect to other peoples beliefs but you must keep to the one true way.

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February 5th, 2014

Challenging the traditional Jewish abiding laws ethics.

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February 4th, 2014

Might be a fisher of men

February 3rd, 2014

Some Colossians may have been tempted by firmly sticking to their Jewish roots or coming back to pagan rituals.

March 3rd, 2014

Paul is talking about the rituals of the Jews. Just because you do not follow them does not mean that you are in sin. The most important is to have faith in God and believe and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ.

March 2nd, 2014

Here, Paul is addressing the Gentiles to not let the Jews impose The Law on them, just as previously he was likely addressing the Jews to not be “taken captive by philosophy…”

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February 3rd, 2014

They were probably still jewish with christian overtones!Thats what christianity is

February 3rd, 2014

In this verse the Apostle Paul assures some of Colossians on their practice of the faith. Paul addresses them and use a commanding language to give them a space to observe old practice religion. Presumably, Paul refers to the those Jews who practice festivals, enjoys sabbaths, and new moons, although at the same time accepts Christian preaching of Paul.

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February 4th, 2014

I think Paul was warning the Colossians that the Faith in Christ and following in his steps as better than following Laws made for the earth. Christ is leading the way to Heaven, he left us Heavenly law (Love)

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15 He disarmed the rulers and authorities and made a public example of them, triumphing over them in it. Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

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February 4th, 2014

This is referring to the resurrection of Christ and his ascension to heaven. This is victory over death and over the rulers and authorities at the time who no longer have power and authority over him. A signification that the authority belongs to Christ.

February 5th, 2014

It seems to me that Paul is writing more about what he WISHES were true instead of what actually was true. The Jesus written about in the gospels was NOT “the head of every ruler and authority” nor did he “disarm the rulers and authorities and make a public example of them, triumphing over them in it.”.

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February 4th, 2014

also a confirmation of Daniels Prophecy about the kingdom form not by man.Daniel 2:44 God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be destroyed nor will it be left to another people. Christianity belong to all People, unlike Judaism that belong to the Jew(a certain people)

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14 erasing the record that stood against us with its legal demands. He set this aside, nailing it to the cross. Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

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February 3rd, 2014

Bought with a price

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February 4th, 2014

Shades of Martin Luther?

February 4th, 2014

The elaborate metaphor here about how God canceled the legal claims against us through Christ’s cross depicts not Christ being nailed to the cross by men but the bond…with its legal claims being nailed to the cross by God.

February 5th, 2014

nailing to the cross, is a wonderful way of reminding us how Christ died for our sins.

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13 And when you were dead in trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, God made you alive together with him, when he forgave us all our trespasses, Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

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February 4th, 2014

Spiritually dead but became spiritually alive when faith in Christ brings forgiveness.

February 3rd, 2014

Were some claiming to have a new kind of life that other Christians did not have? Then they should recognise that all Christians have been made alive by God through what Jesus did on the cross.

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12 when you were buried with him in baptism, you were also raised with him through faith in the power of God, who raised him from the dead. Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

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February 3rd, 2014

Baptism is a ritual in which a person’s life up to the present time is metaphorically declared dead. When that person is immersed in water it represents burial. The person coming back up out of the water, which represents being born, is said to be reborn into a new life with a philosophy.

February 26th, 2014

in here Paul was talking about you were buried in baptism, and you were also raised through faith in Christ. Baptism through immersion symbolizes death on the old self and when raised from the water symbolizes a new life, cleaned, washed from sins which can be received through faith in Christ.

February 23rd, 2014

This is one of the reasons why it is crucial for someone to be baptized in order to get saved. It has a deep spiritual symbolism. Once we are immersed in the waters the old man is dead. And soon after a new man is born, without sin, without blemish, as a new creature by the grace of God.

February 6th, 2014

Baptism is an outward sign to tell others that you believe in Christ as your LORD & Savior just as circumcision was a sign that the Hebrews were God’s chosen people . Since we die to self and live in Christ the symbolism of going under the water as dying and being raising back up out of the water as a new life in Christ is a great way of understanding what takes place in a believers life at their conversion.

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February 4th, 2014

even thought we do not really know how or from when the ritual of baptism in Christianity started, but we know that it’s a very important part of our faith. here Paul confirmed what Baptism is.

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11 In him also you were circumcised with a spiritual circumcision, by putting off the body of the flesh in the circumcision of Christ; Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

A physical circumcision was the sign that that you had joined the Hebrews, a spiritual circumcision was the sign recognizing the Spirit of Christ inwardly.
This was a huge conflict in the early days of the church: whether the new Gentile believers needed to observe the rituals and commandments of the Jews.

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February 7th, 2014

In Christ, we are all new creations. We have a new heart and mind not because of a bodily circumcision, but a spiritual circumcision.

February 6th, 2014

Becoming a new creation in Christ.

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February 5th, 2014

Creative reversal of symbolic idiom.

February 4th, 2014

This seems to be a way of allow Gentiles to join the tribe without undergoing what for grown men would be a hazardous and painful initiation.

February 3rd, 2014

Were some of the refusals claiming to be super-spirituals because they were circumcised? All Christians says Paulhave recieved ‘a circumcission made without hands’, when they fullfilled the true meaning of the old ceremony ‘by putting off the body of flesh’ that is their old sinful lives, that they might live a new life in the power of the Holy Spirit given to them by Jesus.Col.2:11)

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9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily,

10 and you have come to fullness in him, who is the head of every ruler and authority.
Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

The Colossians were suggesting that they needed other supernatural issues and that Jesus was just one of several manifestations of God. Paul firmly asserts that “For God was pleased to have all his fullness dwell in him”(Col 1;19) and “For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form,"2:9)

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< In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things came into being through him, and without him not one thing came into being. What has come into being in him was life, and the life was the light of all people.

The Greeks believed material things and true essence were totally apart: but Jesus became the Word living: the geniune essence of things that were true.

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February 3rd, 2014

My understanding is this letter is not authentic—Paul didn’t write it. What I hear in it is a much more obvious emphasis on the literal comprehension of the Jesus story than is discernible in Paul’s authentic letters. In those letters Jesus seems to be serving God. By the time of this letter, Jesus appears to have replaced God as God.

March 3rd, 2014

God is the only god, that is, there is only one God, the God that Jesus Christ preaches and that Paul follows.

February 5th, 2014

Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus through the will of God, and Timothy our brother, (…) (Colossians 1:1).

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8 See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deceit, according to human tradition, according to the elemental spirits of the universe, and not according to Christ. Colossians 2 (NRSV) by St. Paul (Ft. Laura Nasrallah)

According to Aristotle, the five basic elements were:

  1. Earth

  2. Water

  3. Air

  4. Fire

  5. Aether.

(Aether was thought of as the divine element; although we see that being in Christ is superior.)

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February 4th, 2014

This verse is not a warning against philosophy as such, but against a particular ‘human tradition about the elemental spirits of the universe’, an aspect of astrology that teaches that angels (cf 2:18) associated with the stars controlled human destiny (cf 1:16). From “The New Interpreters Study Bible”

February 4th, 2014

You must not listen favorably to any other religious or philosophical influence.

March 2nd, 2014

Here, Paul is warning that the Greek way of thinking is not “The Way.” Later, he does the same for the Jewish Law.

February 16th, 2014

The message I get from the letters that I have read in this course is “don’t think for yourself, let us think for you and we will tell you what to think!”

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February 9th, 2014

Paul himself was a gifted philosopher so he wasn’t condemning philosophy. Paul believed that the answer was in Christ. The world looks beyond God for solutions and answers.

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February 8th, 2014

Don’t get taken in by those who seek to subvert Christ’s message or turn people towards an idol for their own purposes.

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February 5th, 2014

Paul here might oppose the usuable culture of argumentation and reasoning to gain knowledge and wisdom. See earlier verse # 4.

February 4th, 2014

empty deceit — stern words to make his point that his words are the truth and none other.

February 4th, 2014

“empty deceptions” is Paul’s belittlement of the Colossian philosophy. The elementary principles (spirits), cosmic spirits of Hellenistic syncretism. Helenists philosophy involved regulating their religious life by observing the movements of the stars, which they associated with the powers of the angels which were worshipped by some.
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February 4th, 2014

wrote the same as the letter to Timothy. about the; myth, genealogies, that create controversies in the church. here he talk about philosophy, deceit base on human traditions. looking at these problem give me more light about what Christianity is facing today. the same problem faced also the early Christians.

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February 4th, 2014

The warning here is similar to other warnings and that is to NOT be deceived and to stay strong in Jesus.

February 4th, 2014

The human tradition was to worship idols and gods of the elements, so Paul cautioned them not to fall prey to the old philosophies.

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February 4th, 2014

Paul appears to me to be reminding them that it is foolish to worship the “elements”/nature, and not he who is the creator of said elements.

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February 3rd, 2014

There is a lot of very interesting thought out there that connects with the four elements, the four gospels and lots of other “things” that could very easily have meaningful allegorical meaning. Remember this was the era of mysteries.

February 3rd, 2014

Worship of nature

March 6th, 2014

Christ brought freedom in spirit that must not be given up for something lesser.

February 3rd, 2014

What may suggest this ‘human tradition’ and these ‘elemental spirits’?

March 5th, 2014

Paul was showing that there are elemental spirits over there which are not the spirit of Christ which the Christians are not supposed to be deceived at all. Some if not all are strongholds of Satan. Daniel was told by angel Michael that answers were given but I was denied access by prince in Asia to come to you.

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