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Not trying to be an asshole or anything but..
I hate people who can have lists of MCs they think are GOAT and try to have an opinion of hip hop, but havent even heard albums that are considered classics…
For example, if you guys remember My Friend, he likes a lot of super underground hip hop and always gives me his opinions of shit that comes out and whatever..
But, what im saying is, how can my friend have an opinion of hip hop if he hasnt heard classic albums?
Obviously no one should say a rapper sucks if they haven’t heard their classic work. For example, Kanye (todays just a kanye day tbh). Goto a Tupac video on Youtube and i bet there will be a comment like
“OMG I MISS 2PAC SO MUCH. TODAYS RAP SUX KANYE SUX”
But what im saying is do you think there should be albums that you must hear in order to really have an opinion of hip hop? Don’t you think people should listen to albums like The Chronic, Reasonable Doubt, Illmatic, and also modern day classics like F&L, and College Dropout, even if Kanye is a very mainstream rapper?
No, people shouldn’t be subjected to any kind of hip-hop. I was listening to Lil Wayne before I went a bit further back and noticed how the further back I went the more substance in the mainstream there was. And eventually ended up on SSLP then Reasonable Doubt, then Illmatic, then Lifestylez then Liquid Swords then Paid In Full etc, the list goes on. But yeah, no one should have to listen to a specific album, and the albums you listed are only classics to certain people. When I first listened to Illmatic I thought “this is bullshit” and left it and wondered why people gave it such praise, then a few months later I picked it up and it completely changed my view on all rap.
But yeah, don’t take Youtube comments seriously, Youtube commentors are 90% fucken narrow-minded idiots, e.g. of this is on Rihanna’s song “Numb” someone said Eminem’s 20second verse was the “greatest rap verse of all time omg so real so true”.. yeah. Go to Youtube comments if you seek the opinions of mundane, generic thinking idiots.
Sounds like you’re trying to justify why your personal opinion should be viewed as more valid than that of your friend. Music is entirely about taste.
Counter-point: People on this website bitch and moan about the mainstream all day long but I’d be willing to bet none of them have actually sat down and listened to an entire Flo-Rida / Soulja Boy / etc. album front to back. Therefore their opinion of ‘mainstream’ music is just as invalid by your own criteria.
Everyone should just listen to what they like listening to and shut the fuck up about everything else, in my opinion. We have a finite amount of time on this earth and spending it telling other people why they shouldn’t enjoy themselves is a monumental waste of it.
but 2pac is the best http://mckwesi.wordpress.com/2012/11/17/soft-rappers/
@Cody I wouldn’t say it should be a prerequisite for having an opinion on hip=hop but the amount of music you’ve listened to does add credence to whatever argument you’re trying to make
@Skizza You are correct. There is no point in criticizing an artist you barely even listen to. People should stick to promoting and supporting their favorite artists instead of complaining about how Lil Wayne “ruined” hip-hop.
tbh a good thread a really good thread would be if someone could make like a list of classic hip hop albums you need to hear before you die (sounds like its been made already as im typing LOLOLOL)
This is a good question that people dismiss too frequently I think..Here’s how I would define things..
Music preference- what one individual chooses to listen to over other forms of music
- non-negotiable, it is based on individual likes and dislikes. Should be considered valid in any and all cases.
- Ex: I prefer underground to mainstream.
Music opinion- a belief based on experience and circumstantial evidence
- based on individual research and can only be further developed by experience. Should be considered valid based only on these aforementioned experiences, otherwise it should be ridiculed.
- Ex. Underground music is better than mainstream music.
People can hide behind their preferences all day..thats what a preference is..but in music there are technically no facts, so instead we have to talk about opinions. Opinions can’t shield you from criticism unless you have obviously done your homework on things. Of course anyone can say, “that’s your opinion, whatever I don’t care.” but that’s not how intelligent conversations work. If someone says “country is better than rap, thats my opinion” they should be heavily ridiculed unless they have listened to a good amount of both country and rap, which is hard to prove online anyway…in which case refer to @Skizza’s post.
But idk this is all just my opinion…haha
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If you want to have an opinion on an artist, you need to be able to make an argument strong enough to support your opinion. How much you have to listen to them depends on how strong you want your argument to be. You can play one track and say you don’t like the guy, or listen to his supposed best album and break down why he ain’t that great.
If you want to have an opinion on an entire genre, in theory you should listen to everything that genre has to offer. Which, obviously, is not really possible for any normal person with an actual life. I wouldn’t say you have to listen to a certain set of ‘classic’ hip-hop albums to talk about the music as a whole, mainly because different people have different definitions of classics and that list can be never ending. But you do have to listen to enough hip-hop to have an educated understanding of the genre and the many different sounds within it. Nah mean?
So you won’t have to listen to any list of albums, but more like a number of albums and different artists. I don’t know how that would be, or how many rap albums I’ve heard. But the more you listen the more you know, and more can’t hurt in an educated discussion on music.
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There be more subjective views in these
Sentences tryin' to hard to be
Devoid of the obvious:
Music in any form
Is free to be
whatever you see
To really give your opinion on something I do feel like you at least need to hear it. I’ve heard Jay-Z’s discography for example and I still think he’s terrible. I have a right to that opinion because of that.