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ALTERNATE HISTORY: IF BLACKS HAD GAINED ENOUGH MOMENTUM DURING THE CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT
This is purely imaginative and fictitious, a mental exercise and just something cool to speculate about. Feel free to add your point of view. No racist remarks please.
I was watching a documentary on how the United States would like like if the Confederates had won the Civil War (its dope you should check it out). Then I thought about Lupe Fiasco’s All Black Everything and wondered what if instead blacks came into power during the Civil Rights Movement? I wondered how such a feat could be possible.
This is what I believe what could of have happened:
- The one factor that changes the course of history begins. No civil rights leaders were assassinated. Or better yet, all assassination attempts failed. Miserably. To the extent where their intended targets are immortalized and instill a divine presence among followers and move non-believers. Malcolm takes 5 in the chest and survives. Importantly he does not splinter from the Nation of Islam. Black Panther Fred Hampton manages to escape CPD in crazy gun battle, securing him fame and recognition. MLK may die as a martyr for the greater cause and allegations that the government in fact killed him are rampant. This draws support for the extremist movement as peace has failed.
- The collective African-American population rallies together as a community. Without the loss of its leaders, the movement continues to build strength. More blacks become involved. The introduction of crack-cocaine into the ghettos fails as blacks have become empowered and have sustained themselves through self initiated welfare programs and progressive movements. Blacks begin to educate themselves and each other academically, politically, and about their history. Ignorance in the community is no longer a problem.
- The United States government tries to derail the Black Power movement by launching a propaganda campaign and raising its tactics to kill leaders. This only serves to demonstrate stereotypes and widens the gap between blacks and whites. Police increase patrol of black neighborhoods. Many innocent (at least in the eyes of blacks) are killed by police fire and (similar to the Trayvon Martin shooting) only fuels the anti-establishment view African-Americans currently hold. Further attacks on civil rights leaders are unsuccessful as most civil rights leaders keep low profiles and work underground. They are also well armed against any attack.
- The Black Panthers, Malcolm X’s Nation of Islam, and to some extent the NAACP become militant enough to combat aggressors and protect each other. Think of the power gangs in the city have today in modern times. Gang structure at its best is semi-organized with large in-fighting. Remove those differences and think of what just those gangs could accomplish united under one flag. Now think of that in the 60’s and 70’s, where there were much greater numbers of minorities under the civil rights umbrella and would continue to grow well into the 80’s and 90’s. Now united as one people they can concentrate their power on police and municipal governments.
- The OGs become older and the differences between blacks are non-existent. New young leaders rise, great minds, all revolutionaries. The keep alive what was started 40-50 years ago by instilling a new feeling of black nationalism. 60%-75% of all blacks are now considered a “threat” to the U.S. government. Thats including men women and children. Picture little 8 year olds carrying AK-47s.
- An incident of impressive magnitude happens. Rodney King, a massacre, or some other form of grave injustice triggers the final uprising. The cries for revenge and blood ring loud and are heard. The Black Panthers and other black militant factions are called upon and all coordinate an impressive offensive against major cities. Blacks use scare tactics and guerrilla warfare which is most prevalent. Terrorist attacks are not out of the question. Cities remain under siege, and unlike the anarchy that was the L.A. riots there is a mass calm and a sense of certainty in the cause. Blacks fight passionately and with immense determination. The president issues an executive order activating the National Guard to defend the cities. A special session of congress is called; The Great Race War begins. All of this on or before the turn of the century.
The blacks win. They gain support of a foreign nation or some shit. After a long ass war of attrition they take over DC. Pockets of resistance don’t stop fighting until a great decades later. Millions die. Civilian casualties will be extremly high. A new socialist-democratic government set up. The United States of African America is officially recognized by foreign nations as a sovereign state. we dont need welfare now that all the blacks is smart and educated and everybody got a job. obama still up in that oval office. so America, its all hood now. dead presidents II becomes the national anthem. everybody rocks gators. and them suits with wide shoulders and wallet chains and feathers in the hat. basketball is the new pastime. everyone stay strapped but aint no one kill no one anymore. they sell dro at the pharmacy. coke still illegal tho.
Joking aside, I just wanted to take the time to ponder a big “what if” in the history of this nation. Its amazing to think this shit could have really gone down.
“Picture little 8 year olds carrying AK-47s."
” The Great Race War begins."
Dude you just wrote out a scenario in which your ideal America was achieved by African-Americans killing off all the white people. I know you didn’t explicitly state that all the white people were killed off, but I don’t know how else to read it.
Regardless of your intentions this makes me deeply uncomfortable.
I like what you’ve got going here in terms of alternate history, but what about the whites? What about Hispanics? What about Asians like myself? This is one of the problems I have with 5 Percenter ideology.
Really getting an Afrocentric version of Hitler vibe from this. It’s the exact romanticization and justification of mass genocide he used to advance his agenda. Don’t get me wrong I’m all for black power but I definitely can’t get behind this.
5 Percenter ideology believes all Blacks, minorities, and non-Whites are olive-skinned Asiatic men.
I would not be here right now if this took place.
You must know absolutely nothing of world politics if you think anyone would support an internal revolution in America against the government. Who’s going to be their ally during the cold war? Russia is the only super power with the influence to do that. Now, granted Russia might actually consider pursuing that, but I still find it highly unbelievable that Russia would consider pissing off it’s only competent contender and only threat capable of MAD (Mutually assured Destruction). If the USSR bankrolls and backs a black revolution, if America is on the verge of a revolution realistically, the US destroys the USSR with itself. USSR would never pursue it.
that’s just a political stand point
Now take into account the mentality of the mob and other crime organizations. You know why gangs were allowed in the 20s and shit? Because they were so unorganized they didn’t have a marginal effect on the crime syndicates. Now imagine if the blacks organized.. you think racist white mobs are going to stand for that? Encroachment on territory and a government that has let them slide by for decades? Hell no. So where are the blacks getting this funding? No outside source of money, USSR won’t do it. The crime rings are killing EVERY black man they see as a potential threat. This racial revolution can’t do shit because it’s
Okay, now for the realistic shit. In the 60s, there were roughly 150 million white males living in America. There were comparably 20 million non whites. That’s not even african americans. That’s just non whites. Now , you’re telling me a non-funded, unequipped, probably ill-trained (although that’s very debatable), fighting force thats facing 2 to 7 ratios alone on population if ALL non-whites banded together, manage to overthrow a very, very, very, wealthy, angry, and world super power of a government? I call bullshit my friend.
TL;DR even if everything you said happened, there’s no reasonable way any black population is able to overthrow the government through warfare. This is America, Not Vietnam. Not Guerilla warfare. The guerillas would have to come to the government. The government starves them out if they hide, or they simply kill them all if they choose actual warfare. Case closed in my mind.
also laughing at the irony of this statement haha
we dont need welfare now that all the blacks is smart and educated and everybody got a job
is smart enough? Really?
I mean, asians rule the world and america is gonna be a latino country soon, sooo…
“Who’s going to be their ally during the cold war?"
Besides Diefenbaker setting up Radar Defense Lines in the North in Canada, who exactly were the allies during the Cold War? Considering the Cold War was really Capitalism vs Communism, if Blacks revolted in America and established a Communist regime, they would have allies with Cuba, the USSR, Argentina, and possibly other Latin American countries, at a point where the US and the USSR were the two largest world powers.
“You know why gangs were allowed in the 20s and shit?"
Prohibition gave birth to prominent organized crime syndicates within the US. The only reason the Wars on Gangsterism fought by the FBI were unsuccessful were because J. Edgar Hoover was tight with Frank Costello, the leader of the Luciano (now Genovese) crime syndicate family, and Costello was more than likely feeding him all sorts of misinformation and monetary "incentive”.
With the power of the FBI, and more importantly the CIA, defused, COINTELPRO would have never intercepted the efforts of many Black radicals, and the organized crime syndicates would no longer have legislative immunity.
The financial power of Black radicals (though many organizations were far from broke) was the true achilles heel. Even with few numbers, with the right manipulation and divide-and-conquer tactics, money can make anything possible.
Your last paragraph I don’t agree with. Guerilla warfare, under the right commander, is proven successful against overwhelming force.
It’s odd, because I’ve learned a lot of historically accurate tidbits from cinema. In Pan’s Labyrinth, the Maquis Guerilla rebellion defeat the Spanish government in the Spanish Civil War, in the Godfather II and Scarface, the Guerillas defeat the Cuban dictatorship. Vladimir Lenin used guerilla warfare to overthrow the Tsarist monarchy in post-turn of the 19th century. Even Mao Zedong used guerilla warfare to enact a coup d'etat on the Chinese dynasty.
Sun Tzu’s The Art of War, Machiavelli’s The Prince, even Ernesto Che Guevara’s book Guerilla Warfare, all explain how it is the defining tactic of the bourgeoisie overthrowing the ruling class.
I was watching a documentary on how the United States would like like if the Confederates had won the Civil War (its dope you should check it out).
You should check it out, it really is a good movie
You missed my main points IMO. MAD assures that no one bankrolls black revolution during the cold war IMO. Of course this is highly theoretical, but it’s the most realistic scenario in my opinion tbh. If you want to argue this, feel free! you seem educated on the topic so I’d love a different mind set.
I’m just not sure how guerilla warfare would work in America taking down cities and armies. Sure, it works in Vietnam in the jungles, or in Sun Tzu’s situations where the armies can feed themselves. But they’re missing America’s military superiority. We have the technology. We will use it. In America though? Where the feds control ALL food sources? They’re not going to grow their own crops. If they do, the feds simply carpet bomb ALL Their crops. People might smuggle them goods for the right price, but you can’t afford black market food AND funding an army. They’d simply starve, or their infrastructure would collapse. Not realistic in this scenario. Guerilla warfare with the government just wouldn’t work IMO on this scale. This is less guerilla warfare, more direct warfare. They’d have nowhere to hide. People would completely segregate. There wouldnt be blacks intermingled with whites (Because this seems to be the main distinction in this war) throughout major cities.
enemies would be carpet bombed to hell and back
But that’s just my opinion.
Feel free to argue against it.
No, I got your main point. I guess I didn’t reply in a clear enough way.
MAD applies to nuclear parity. The idea where when more than one country is equipped with nuclear arms at the dispense of military use, both sides are in a state of parity for fear of nuclear warfare and ultimate destruction to both sides. During the Cold War, that theory was successfully bolstered, but not proven. Though mankind WILL never resort to nuclearn warfare (due to extensive esoteric knowledge you would need background information for me to explain), the Cold War was the closest the world got to nuclear warfare.
Here’s what you need to know. Cuba was just revolutionized, and Fidel Castro is now in power. That means no more US imperialism making billions from the siphoned resources of Cuba. Fidel nationalized many key industries, so the US attempted to invade Cuba. This failure was the Bay of Pigs invasion. Young Che Guevara, with little experience, even commanded and was a key role to this success, which is important to his influence in Latin America, and his political relations with Castro. Anyway, now communist Cuba is aware of the tension between them and the US (seeing as the Cold War is based on McCarthyism and the Domino Theory of the spread of communism), and seek an ally within the USSR. Castro and Khrushchev created the Cuba-Soviet Union, basically a communist alliance against the Western powers. Khrushchev built missile bases within Cuba, as a means of defense. US spy technology informed Nixon of this, and he concluded that the USSR was storing nuclear weaponry within Cuba. This was false. This almost lead to nuclear warfare.
So when you speak almost as if the US and the USSR were allies during the Cold War, it’s the complete opposite case. If Black revolutionaries seeked foreign comintern aid, it’s possible (maybe probable) they would have recieved it from the USSR or Cuba. Anything to damage the constitution of America.
During the Cold War era, the US didn’t have the same civil military power. If Black revolutionaries decided to act while US forces were focused in Vietnam, or Cuba, the world could be very different right now.
The “feds” don’t control all food or resources in a capitalist economy. The idea of laissez faire is that the people have economic control, but pay taxes. Communism is the idea of complete governmental economic control and distribution of wealth and resources. Did Cuban, Spanish and Chinese revolutionaries grow their own crops? Did they beg for supplies and relief? No, they were supported by their people though, because they were a majority.
Because the Blacks of Cold War era America were NOT bourgeoisie, they were no bolshevik, they could never succeed. Guerilla Warfare requires a MAJORITY underclass and a MINORITY ruling class. The US is so segregated and divided, even today, and that’s why the corrupt politicians will forever rule.
Divide-and-conquer is so menial and simple, yet the masses of the US are so incompetent that even in this century they’ve been subjected to it every day of their lives and don’t know it, and if they do, they don’t know how or why. So in a more divided era, America had less chance of a successful revolution.
Now why the fuck did I type all of that? I’m not getting paid.