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But seriously, why aren't more UK artists blowing up?
Right, so the title is pretty self-explanatory, really. Apart from Dizzee Rasclart and Tinie, who probably aren’t even that big in the US, despite international commercial success, why are so few UK artists able to make it international, but an 18yo Brooklyn yout has his music being bumped overseas?
As Sway once succintly put it:
Also, whatever happened to Sway? That guy was sick, man, he had ERRTHANGGG: lyricism, delivery, dope beats…why did he flop?
I have two theories:
Funding & international reach is simply not as accessible in the UK
UK hip-hop (grime) is still going through its gangsta phase, that the US has long since moved on from. US artists offer a much wider palette when it comes to themes explored in their music and so inevitably exploit wider fields. UK grime seems to be stuck in a subculture of spitting bars about running up on enemies.
However, this doesn’t mean that UK grime necessarily lacks lyricism. Peep any of Krept & Konan’s stuff and you’ll instantly feel the raw talent that they’re bringing into the game. The amount of one-liners and double entendres they drop justforfun makes it all seem too easy, despite the fact that their music revolves around the core ‘gangsta’ ideology. Just take this for example:
So what is it that the UK is lacking?
America is just way more influential than the UK. It’s the same reason that hardly any songs in a different language make it in English-speaking countries, because the English language is way more influential
But that’s the point — this is English too! There’s gotta be something else
There was a topic on this the other day and the general conclusion was a mix of accent and lack of UK talent.
“UK hip-hop (grime) is still going through its gangsta phase, that the US has long since moved on from. US artists offer a much wider palette when it comes to themes explored in their music and so inevitably exploit wider fields. UK grime seems to be stuck in a subculture of spitting bars about running up on enemies.
However, this doesn’t mean that UK grime necessarily lacks lyricism. Peep any of Krept & Konan’s stuff”
OK. Grime and Hip hop are not the same thing.
Also, your post indicates to me that you don’t really know the UKHH scene. Are you from UK?
I’m going to see some of the UK’s pre-eminent Hip hop artists on Friday when they perform in my home town. Our scene is burgeoning, we don’t need US support. They can survive on UK support alone. But that is not saying that international success is of value, of course it is, I just don’t ever see it happening because US people are saturated with US Hip Hop, that they find UKHH difficult to digest.
*is not of value.
You guys got to add an edit feature to the forums.
In terms of Hip-hop, the U.K. is the retarded younger brother of the U.S.
are you from UK or just an avid UKHH listener?
Sway was dope though, he’s a friend of my cousins.
UK grime seems to be stuck in a subculture of spitting bars about running up on enemies.
Forreal…UK is loyal to its garage/grime/gritty style to the point it’s rigid. It’s like UK man can display skills but only artists imitating the US party lifestyle transcend the national barriers successfully and ‘'blow up’‘, and if they wish to keep their style/content typically UK then they’re shoved into the UK underground which just does not have the support to survive like the US underground scene can.
why aren’t more UK artists blowing up?
When it comes to UK hood rap.. outside certain circles, people won’t listen because it’s not prettied up like the ‘'trap fantasy’‘ the US sells. I can’t imagine someone with no connection to ’‘that life’‘ enjoying the gritty likes of Meridian Dan and the rest of Bloodline, but nuff people who aren’t enjoy the likes of Chief Keef. English Frank said ’‘I don’t glamourise it, I analyse it’‘ in his F64 freestyle (which was crazy btw) — and I think that’s pretty true for the majority of UK 'hood’ rap… And UK conscious rap is just put in a box like US conscious is, majority of UK youts, apart from a couple k proper UKHH heads, don’t even listen so how can we expect the world to?
why are so few UK artists able to make it international, but an 18yo Brooklyn yout has his music being bumped overseas?
because Americans get heard… it’s deeper than the quality of the music… for starters, there’s no British Dream lol, we’ll never have the dominance US has when it comes to so many things. also, people are mad ignorant about UK hip-hop, thinking N-Dubz is what we’re all about haha.
However, this doesn’t mean that UK grime necessarily lacks lyricism
not at all… UKHH has some great lyricists.
UK’s pre-eminent Hip hop artists
is that hip hop isn’t dead lol?
Finally someone who gets what I’m talking about
I’m from London myself, but I must ashamedly admit that I hardly listen to any UKHH or grime at all; been meaning to get into it but haven’t found the time/it’s all too easy to cop a US album when all the talent is laid out in front of you for your viewing pleasure, but UK talent needs much more digging to uncover.
I’m from London myself, but I must ashamedly admit that I hardly listen to any UKHH or grime at all
I used to listen to mad amounts of UKHH then around 2009-2011 I listened to barely any, but I’m back on it again.
UK talent needs much more digging to uncover.
trust… I went to a UKHH event, heard some people I liked, I was asking for soundclouds and bandcamps or youtubes they were like ‘'nah i’m not on any of that stillllll’‘ (apart from a couple who were on youtube), like mate where am I supposed to find the music then if it’s not on the internet, you want me to go down bond street and wait for you to ask me to buy your mixtape? LOL
I love how the threads on UKHH and grime make the undercover brits come to light hahaha
It’s just a fancy word for people at the top of the game.
@edski I know, I was referring to the hip hop isn’t dead tour cos I’ve heard about it… you’re clearly not talking about this then haha
The hip hop scene in the UK’s fine [Underground, battle rap], they don’t need to transfer over.. most are cool with the respect of US artists which is why dizzee and UGK have a few collabs back n forth
Also the UK has a much different sound that america ain’t really fucking with… like ya’ll fuck with our ed sheeran but wouldn’t touch plan b with a meter stick
Sway tried to transfer over and flopped for so many reasons, not because of the lack of space