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Complex and Eternal rhyme schemes first appeared in Rock lyrics before Hip hop.
So bye-bye, Miss American Pie
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry
And them good old boys were drinkin' whiskey and rye
I came across this discovery when I was mentally writing raps in my brain rhyming ready to die with ‘Merican pie…then I decided to continue the multisyllable rhyme scheme with Levee was dry. Then I realized that that rhyme scheme was already used by some hippie song back in the early 70’s (most rappers tend to avoid the use rhyme schemes already created by others just in case you were wondering).
That’s when it hit me, did Don Mclean, a non-hip hop artist, just used multis…in a song that predated Kool G Rap and Rakim? well let’s see.
A-Mer-I-Can-Pie 5 beats
The-Le-Vee-Was-Dry 5 beats
Whi-sky-and-rye 4 beats
He just done a 5 syllable and 4 syllable compound rhyme.
And that’s not all, he also displayed internal rhymes too;
Drove my Chevy to the levee, but the levee was dry.
Don Mclean, a folk/rock singer from the 60’s, displayed more rhyming complexities than most of these wack rappers out now. Now before anyone says “Yeah but multis already existed in poetry..” you can miss me with that. A lot of the very rare compound rhymes found in some poems are really just feminine rhymes. And feminine rhymes should not be confused with Multis;
The above shouldn’t be considered a Multi because the last two syllables are phonetically identical. Whereas ‘American Pie’ and ‘the levee was dry’ isn’t. This means that the true definition of multies appeared in Rock lyrics before Hip hop and Don Mclean paved way for the likes of Eminem and Rakim.
It appeared in poetry before any modern genres existed tbh. I’ve read texts from Vikings using alliteration and such. Pretty sure it dates back to ancient Greece or something.
You’re really forcing those rhymes. And treasuring and measuring do rhyme every syllable so they are multisyllabic rhymes. Saying it shouldn’t count because they’re identical is like saying a word doesn’t rhyme with itself.
And yes, rock musicians did this before rappers, because rock happened first. Just like poets did this before rock stars because poetry happened first. This isn’t a new thing; rap just puts more emphasis on this aspect of writing so people associate it with rap the most.
*Internal rhyme schemes
Pretty sure music has always had rhyme schemes….pointless thread
Still can’t show me any rock song that come close to Lose Yourself though…
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I am here to entertain….thank you for your sentiment.
And treasuring and measuring do rhyme every syllable so they are multisyllabic rhymes. Saying it shouldn’t count because they’re identical is like saying a word doesn’t rhyme with itself.
Okay, so what if I rhymed something like;
I went to the shop and bought a big mat
I went to the shop and bought a big cat
Would you consider that a 10 syllable rhyme scheme? a multi?
This is such a reach. For one, multis and internal rhymes are different. For another, “American pie” and “levee was dry” do not rhyme beyond dry and pie. Also, everything you hear in modern music stemmed from poetry. Also, to discount “treasuring” and “measuring” as rhymes is the same as discounting your dry-and-pie scheme, in which only the long “i” sound rhymes and is identical.
@DiceCube Yes, yes it would be. Depending on your criteria, it could be considered lazy, but it’s still a 10 syllable rhyme.
You’re really forcing those rhymes.
I think you’re confusing “forced” with slant rhyming. Slant rhyming is used by many emcees with complex rhyme schemes to expand the flexibility of their rhyming vocabulary. Here is a link; http://www.flocabulary.com/hiphop/
E.g. In Nas’s “daughters” song, he rhymed important with with daughters. And in Eminem’s Stay Wide Awake, he rhymed ‘funny’ with ‘dumb freak’.
Here is a video of Eminem disproving the myth that orange doesn’t rhyme with anything.
Here is a similar video with Mos Def schooling Jack Black on rhyming. I feel like Mos Def in this video and a lot of you cats on this thread are like Jack Black
Depending on your criteria, it could be considered lazy, but it’s still a 10 syllable rhyme.
Thank you! It’s lazy…just like measuring and treasuring is lazy. If rhyming ‘orange’ with ‘orange’ is considered lazy and not clever, than the same point of view should be implied with ‘-suring’ and ‘-suring’. This is what separates Don Mclean’s genius rhyme from any poet.
Secondly in the How To Rap book, G Rap used these examples;
vans and trucks
Notice how each of the syllable rhymes are not lazy?
“American pie” and “levee was dry” do not rhyme beyond dry and pie.
Wrong, they do. I know in text form it might give you the illusion that it doesn’t rhyme beyond pie and dry, but I will break it down phonetically.
Now “was” and “can” can come under the slant rhyming rule, but also take note that the vowels in ‘was’ and ‘can’ out of the 5 syllables are unstressed and are not prominent enough to be distinguishable. Check out this website, it talks about Prominent vs. Silent vowels when rhyming. I’m a student that studies linguistics and the science, structure, complexities and basic elements that make up human languages and how they work so I know what I’m talking about.
@Nimpeo all the so call multies in poetry never broke the 3 syllable barrier, and most of them were feminine rhymes. Feminine rhymes would be seen as lazy in the Hip hop world. Whereas Don Mclean’s rhyme would be seen as clever, given that most rappers rarely ever approach the 5 syllable mark in their career without rhyming each syllable identically with other syllables.
While the words in Don McLean’s song * could * I suppose be pronounced in such a way that they might rhyme with one another, the fact of the matter is that he doesn’t actually pronounce them in that way in the recording of the song, which suggests to me that he wasn’t consciously attempting to do anything special with the rhyming to begin with. A hypothetical vocal one could imagine in which American-Pie, The-Levee-Was-Dry, and Whiskey-and-rye all rhyme together doesn’t negate the actual existing recording, in which they do not rhyme.
here i am think rappers conspired together and invented rhyming
fuck man you’ve enlightened me OP