Why the fuck do you guys hold lyricism so much higher than Storytellin', Flow or Delivery? (Back to the forum)

When I listen to music I honestly go probably towards the things in these orders:
1. Storytelling
2. Flow
3. Delivery
4. Lyricism
and I still love lyricism but so many rappers have lyricism but shit delivery or flow or storytellin' and he’s still considered a great rapper ‘cause he knows some big words, rappers use it to hide their deficiencies all the time, and I don’t get why you guys seem to love it the most out of everything. I honestly want to know why? Let me know!

Agree with ya, lyricism isn’t everything.
Anyway,I think storytelling is a bonus,not something that is necessary to be a great Mc.
1.Flow
2.Lyricism
3.Delivery
(Optional)Storytelling.
And I don’t know if you seen that thread,but a user said “Lyrics is the most important thing to Mc”,and he got alot of thumbs down with everyone saying that flow was more important.

It’s all personal preference. I’m a fan of storytelling and lyricism, primarily, but your flow and delivery has to be at least average or else I won’t get into the artist.

Yeah I’m happy that other people agree it doesn’t seem like it on this site, and I didn’t see that post I’m happy, it shouldn’t be mostly lyrics, my favorite rapper is DMX so you can kinda see that but yeah, I got you both I know what you mean on that Black Phan if an artist is a sick lyricist but sounds like shit I can’t listen, The voice is the instrument they need to tunee it and learn how to use it not just hit randomly

I actually put the order: 1. Delivery (it draws me in) 2. Flow and, then, Lyricism. Delivery and Flow are so close together though. My ranking is probably illogical considering without a good flow, the delivery isn’t going to save the song. Just personal preference however.

Lyricism isnt always the first thing I look out for.

@MAxra, well there are guys who can flow with no delivery adn they aiight but I understand your rankings

lyricism and flow go together
They are one
they GET HER

STORYTELLIN
is in your lyrics

hardest part is stage presence!
fear they won’t like
gotta have confidence
like first learnin to ride a bike!

look at em
look at you

scary shit

bettter wear da depends

AI said it best/worst

PRACTICE PRACTICE PRACTICE

Yea here’s my order

Story Telling
Lyricism
Delivery
Flow

Because not every song has a story, but every song does have a degree of lyricism

Given any two rappers unless one of them was absolute garbage I would have no way of telling who flows the best.

If I had to choose between Earls flow and Waynes flow I would have no idea, I mean what criteria would you even use to compare them?

I’m just bad at looking at flow, so i never bring it up in arguments.

Flow
Lyricism
Delivery
Storytelling

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Flow
Delivery
Storytelling
Lyricism

Lyricism is last only because I like to enjoy the song before I analyze it

I remember once, i was trying to judge rappers for something, and i did it by using 6 factors

Flow
Delivery
Lyricism
Message/Storytelling
Discography

Flow, Delivery, Lyricism would all be out of 10
Message and Story telling would each be out of 10, but then i would combine the two numbers then divide the sum by two.
Discography would also be 10. For Example here is Nas

Flow= 9.5
Delivery = 9.5
Lyricism= 9.5
Message/Storytelling= 9 (Storytelling=4.5, Message= 4.5)
Discography= 7.5

So 9.5 + 9.5 +9.5 + 9+ 7.5 = 45
45 divided by 5 = 9
Nas IMO is a 9/10 MC

Myself, i find Message and Storytelling the less important two because you Need Flow, Delivery, Lyricism to be a good MC. There are quite a few MC’s who use no storytelling, and have only few songs with a good message, and still are considered great.

At the end of the argument it is all opinion though.

Flow
Delivery
Lyricism

It doesn’t really matter, what gets you listening to the artist is the delivery first before anything, because if a rapper can’t even say his rhymes with great delivery everything else is automatically thrown out the window. i.e Lil B, most people wouldn’t give his music 5 seconds just based on delivery alone.

That’s one of the main reasons I love storytelling, like you guys have said, not every song has it, and not every rapper can do it, so the ones who can have something over the ones who can’t as everyone has atleast a little lyricism but storytelling is the rarest of the ones said here

Lyricism > all.

when I first hear a song, if it sounded good, chances are i’ll listen to it again.

unfortunately, i can never understand everything being said the first time i hear a song. so if delivery/flow/beat was really bad, then chances are that i won’t listen again and won’t get to appreciate any lyricism/storytelling that might have been there.

so basically, as much as i’d like to say that i value lyricism more, honestly it has to sound good first.

Flow
Lyrics
Delivery

I consider the “story” the same as the topic.

If your lyricism is good it make the story better. (Before the fifth put a spark to him, mess around, it get dark to him, put a part through him, lose a major part to him..arm, leg)

But under normal MC hands telling a story just has to be interesting. The down fall is that usually once the story is remembered it isn’t as interesting.

MC POWER RANKING:

1. DELIEVERY: Biggie always opened up with a lovely phrase. (..Man it feels good to see people up on it, flipped to ki’s in two weeks and didn’t flaunt it…)

2. WORDPLAY/FLOW: Nas can become one with the wordplay and flow that he is his own rhymth (…From my hangin cross with nails, I reinforce the frail, with lyrics that’s real…)

3. CRAFT: Jay-Z constructs is rhymes logically and elegantly. (..My mind is like a flower that blooms, peep how my eyes just scour the room/ I’m alert, plus I paid the clerk)

Actually, if the production sucks, the song sucks. So I hold that over everything else.

J-Dilla. Would you mind to give an example? I personally can think of beats that if they were in lesser hands would would have corrupted the entire song.

‘Memory Lane’ is a song I would never listen to because it sounded so happy when it came on. Only after someone showed me a quote by no less than Big Pun saying this “was the greatist lyrical song ever” did I go back in catch the lyrics.

Thank you Big Pun.